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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters

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they exist among us and sometimes they

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win

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare

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good evening and welcome to another

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episode of phantoms of monsters radio

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where we explore the strange

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and the unexplained i'm your host lon

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strickler thanks for joining us

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so tonight

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we present a

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pennsylvania dog man upright canine

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with our guests james west eric mintel

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and ron murphy

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and eric altman pennsylvania crypto

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investigator will give us a

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chestnut ridge report

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uh this is something he's been working

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on the past couple months so i i figured

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i'd bring him in here since we got the

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pennsylvania crowd in here

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and have him uh tell us what's been

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going on

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so james west is a two-time dog man

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experiencer and documents other

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encounters and sightings throughout

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pennsylvania and beyond

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james is also a member of the phantoms

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of monsters 14 research team

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eric mintel and his bucks county

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paranormal investigations team traveled

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the state and country exploring the

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mysteries and history

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of the paranormal and unexplained

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eric and his team have recently

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investigated the beast of bray road

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phenomenon and continued to delve into

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other cryptid k-9 reports

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pianist eric mintel has played for two

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presidents clinton and obama and has

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performed over eight excuse me over 10

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times at kennedy center performed a

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special concert at the united nations in

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new york city

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has been featured in several

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publications both newspapers and the

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magazines

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he is a protege a jazz legend pianist

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uh ron murphy the crypto guru

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has been investigating the stuff of

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nightmares for over 30 years

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he has delved deeply into the shadows to

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shed light on the things that go bumping

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of myths and legends from around the

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ron seeks to uncover the archetypal

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precedent for monsters that haunt our

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collective thoughts

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and eric altman is a cryptozoologist

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specializing in researching the bigfoot

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sasquatch phenomenon with a combined 40

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years of study in field research

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he is the founder and director of the

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pennsylvania cryptozoology society and

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executive director of the pennsylvania

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bigfoot society

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eric was also the host and co-founder of

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beyond the edge radio

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a live weekly radio program covering a

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variety of paranormal and fringe topics

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eric has been actively investigating

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and conducting field work dating back to

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1997 he is lectured and presented across

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eric has been featured in multiple

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documentaries films and television

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programs about bigfoot so guys

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i appreciate you all coming in tonight

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oh thank you

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thanks for having me i want to be here

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so first of all i i'm going to have eric

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give his report now

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he has been investigating

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some strange going-ons in chestnut ridge

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which for the chestnut ridge that's kind

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of part and parcel over there uh but uh

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he made me aware of what's been going

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over there back in april and he's been

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continuing on so i'll go ahead and let

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eric come forward and and tell us what

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he has discovered over there

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and some of the phenomena associated

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go ahead eric

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okay to start off for people who don't

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know what the chestnut ridge is um it is

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western allegheny mountain range

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also known as the laurel highlands and

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it's the furthest western ridge

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of the allegheny mountain range in

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southwestern pennsylvania it runs from

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southern indiana county

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southwest in through westmoreland county

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down through fayette county and comes to

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a rest in the foothills near morgantown

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west virginia it's about 75 miles long

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it probably has close to 70 000 acreage

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of forests and wildlands and it covers

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uniontown connellsville just to name a

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few of the cities the major cities and

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towns that it runs through

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um it has a long um historic history of

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all types of paranormal phenomena

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whether it be ufo sightings

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haunted locations

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a variety of different cryptids have

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been seen and reported

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there have been a number of dogman

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sightings that encounters throughout the

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ridge over the years

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bigfoot has been the uh main crypt

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that's been cited in the ridge for

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centuries um i have documented cases

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newspaper reports that date back to the

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late 1800s

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so my fascination with the ridge itself

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has gone back for decades and i've been

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studying stan gordon's work and paul

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johnson's work in the ridge going back

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to the 70s they've been probably the key

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researchers in the ridge

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dating that far back

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and they've investigated

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hundreds if not thousands of ufo reports

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and sightings and claims

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hundreds of bigfoot sightings and claims

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up in that area

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our good friend ron murphy who's with us

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tonight has written a book about the

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chestnut ridge

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so it's a pretty well known area in

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southwestern pennsylvania for a variety

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of phenomena

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and as i said i've been investigating

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this area for a while i've become very

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familiar with the variety of phenomenon

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that goes on up there i've looked into a

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variety of different claims on different

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paranormal subjects

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and um this most recent

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spout of activity if you want to call it

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that or

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flap of activity

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in indian head pennsylvania where an

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ambulance crew was driving down route

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711 at night about midnight and had what

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they claimed was a very tall

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dark-haired covered creature

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run across the roadway in front of their

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ambulance

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took about three steps across an eight

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foot wide road ran up an embankment and

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disappeared into the forest on the right

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side of the roadway

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i got the

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facebook message from one of the

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ambulance crew members i was down there

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the next morning probably about eight

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o'clock in the morning to investigate

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we did find some large impressions in

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the ground

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but that's all we really found no other

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conclusive proof but their story and

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their testimony was quite compelling and

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i was convinced they saw something

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i know one of the

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ambulance personnel very well

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and i know that she's extremely credible

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so i took the case very seriously

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from that point forward we began to

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monitor the area because i know of the

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history of activity in the area not just

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of bigfoot sightings but as i mentioned

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all the other phenomena going on in the

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area so we began to monitor this area

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pretty closely

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jump forward about

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i was contacted by

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the same person who had a sighting back

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in may of 2021

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and she informed me that on a break

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outside the fire department about 3

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a.m on a saturday night she had heard on

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a forested wooded hillside across from

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the fire department something was

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whistling very loudly

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my first question of course was is it

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possible it was a screech owl or a bard

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owl or something like that and she's

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very familiar with the outdoors she said

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she'd heard nothing like it ever before

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um the following night i believe it was

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a sunday night that she heard something

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up on the same hillside that was

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screaming very high pitched female

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terror or female being murdered type of

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stream as she described it

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so with these kind of audible reports

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coming in i decided to go down to the

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fire department meet her in person have

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her show me

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the area the sounds were coming from and

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she agreed

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and her and her husband agreed to take

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me up into that forested area at the

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hillside above the fire department to

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show me around

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this was late march we we took a drive

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up into some of these back mountainous

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roadways up in this area to investigate

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and our first trip up there we really

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didn't expect anything to happen we

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thought we'd just drive around these

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back dirt roads this mountain gravel

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muddy roads and just to get a look at

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the area and and see if we could maybe

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make some sense of what these sounds

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find a

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rational logical source for the animal

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sounds that she was hearing

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well as we were coming up this uh

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knoll we dropped down into the knolls we

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were coming up the other side of it uh

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her and her husband were driving the

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jeep in front of my pickup truck

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and i had tom mihawk in the truck with

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me he's one of my research partners and

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my son sitting in the back seat

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and the jeep in front of us came to an

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abrupt halt

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and

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me that

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um

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she had seen something very large and

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black started across the road in front

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of the vehicle so quickly that she

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didn't get a good enough look at it but

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she saw something definitely run across

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the road

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so at that point we all decided to jump

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out of the vehicle i grabbed my thermal

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flare decided to investigate and see

302
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what we could see

303
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and as we're looking on the right side

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of the road in the direction of this

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animal went

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um we were seeing a heat signature in

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the forest about 50 to 75 yards down the

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hill in the forest but we couldn't

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really tell what it was it looked

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stationary i personally thought it was a

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rock they thought it might have been a

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deer that kind of hunkered down but

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we're watching this animal

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and i mentioned to tom i said go back in

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the back of my pickup truck and get um

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an axe handle out we're gonna try some

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wood knocks

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so tom was in the back of my pickup

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truck digging around looking for an ax

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handle while he was in there

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within maybe 15 to 20 feet on the

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opposite side of the road behind my

323
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pickup truck we heard a very loud wood

324
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knock

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and we all stopped and looked thinking

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it was tom with that axe handle i sent

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him to get doing that wood knock

328
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and here tom is still digging around the

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back of my pickup truck looking for the

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axe handle

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so we knew it wasn't him

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so our attention turned from the right

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side of the road to the opposite side of

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the left side of the road and i began to

335
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scan with a thermal flare

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and um the five of us uh

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the woman her husband

338
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my son myself

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um

340
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tom we were all looking across the

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roadway we could hear something walking

342
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around we could hear footfalls

343
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they're branches breaking at times very

344
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large branches breaking we can never see

345
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the heat source and as you guys know in

346
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march there's not any foliage on the

347
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trees everything is still pretty barren

348
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we should be able to see we were seeing

349
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with with the naked eye and flashlights

350
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a good

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75 to 100 yards into the trees but with

352
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thermal flare we should have seen

353
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something but we weren't seeing anything

354
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so after about 15 to 20 minutes of

355
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looking and not seeing anything and the

356
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noises quieted down we decided to

357
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proceed on this dirt road and continue

358
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on our journey

359
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we drove about probably 300 yards up the

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road and once again the jeep came to an

361
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abrupt stop

362
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and

363
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within four or five minutes we thought

364
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maybe

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they saw something again um however the

366
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husband got out and came back

367
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and said at this point um there was

368
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something on the right side of the road

369
00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:15,680
that caught

370
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um

371
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his wife's attention she saw a bright

372
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flash in the forest like a bright white

373
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light that shrunk down to the size of

374
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what she described as a firefly

375
00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:29,040
maybe smaller but it didn't look like a

376
00:13:33,269 --> 00:13:31,680
firefly it stayed solid lit it floated

377
00:13:34,870 --> 00:13:33,279
through the trees for several feet and

378
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then disappeared

379
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and shortly after that she heard very

380
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heavy footballs come they both heard

381
00:13:41,430 --> 00:13:40,000
very heavy footballs come running at

382
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their jeep

383
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and they kind of panicked

384
00:13:45,990 --> 00:13:44,720
uh they didn't know what to do and

385
00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:46,000
that's when he jumped out and came back

386
00:13:50,069 --> 00:13:48,399
to us to report what they heard

387
00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:50,079
um we didn't hear the any of this

388
00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:51,440
commotion we didn't see the bright

389
00:13:54,550 --> 00:13:53,600
flashlight we didn't see the

390
00:13:57,189 --> 00:13:54,560
small

391
00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:57,199
whatever greenish yellow light they saw

392
00:14:01,910 --> 00:13:58,880
we didn't hear the footballs we saw him

393
00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,920
come back he reported what he had heard

394
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and we decided okay well let's wait a

395
00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:05,360
few minutes to see if anything happens

396
00:14:09,670 --> 00:14:06,959
nothing happened so we decided to move

397
00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:09,680
on and as he started to proceed to drive

398
00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:12,560
away he stopped again for the third time

399
00:14:15,990 --> 00:14:14,160
got out came back and reported to me

400
00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:16,000
that something in the woods on the left

401
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:17,279
side of the road

402
00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:19,680
threw something and hit his driver's

403
00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:21,920
side of the truck about shoulder length

404
00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:24,320
on the the driver's side door

405
00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:26,480
he got out to look and there was no

406
00:14:30,310 --> 00:14:28,320
damage to the vehicle he did find a

407
00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:30,320
piece of wood laying on the roadway next

408
00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:31,920
to the truck but he wasn't sure if that

409
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,160
was what caused the thump that he had

410
00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:35,839
heard on the side of the truck

411
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:38,160
so it was a pretty eventful night that

412
00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:39,839
first night in march

413
00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:42,240
we can't say what happened during that

414
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:44,959
good maybe half an hour 45 minute

415
00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:46,959
time frame but we definitely heard a

416
00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:49,440
wood knock we saw some kind of heat

417
00:14:53,110 --> 00:14:50,880
signature in the woods

418
00:14:55,350 --> 00:14:53,120
um the woman in the jeep saw something

419
00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:55,360
black and very quick dart in front of

420
00:14:58,470 --> 00:14:56,399
the vehicle

421
00:15:00,150 --> 00:14:58,480
she saw a bright white

422
00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:00,160
light flash in the trees on the right

423
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:02,320
side of the road that shrunk down to the

424
00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:05,040
size of i guess you call it a green or

425
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:07,440
yellowish firefight type light that

426
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,959
eventually vanished

427
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,639
we heard footfalls we heard branches

428
00:15:13,750 --> 00:15:12,639
breaking and something was thrown at the

429
00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:13,760
jeep

430
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:15,839
so it was it was very intriguing to me

431
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:17,839
at least enough to make me want to come

432
00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:19,440
back and continue to look at this area

433
00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:21,360
and see if there's a cause for any of

434
00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:22,639
this

435
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,639
so after we explored the area for a

436
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:26,160
little bit more we decided to continue

437
00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,920
on nothing else event will happen that

438
00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:29,279
night

439
00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:31,920
we agreed to come back in late march and

440
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:33,440
we did

441
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,839
when we came back um we were up there

442
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:37,440
probably this was our second or third

443
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:38,560
visit

444
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:40,480
we heard some wood knocks we heard some

445
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:42,800
distant howls in the forest a couple of

446
00:15:47,269 --> 00:15:45,279
high-pitched whoop sounds very primate

447
00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,279
sounding whoop sounds which were even

448
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:49,199
more intriguing because there's

449
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:50,800
indications there was something up there

450
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:53,199
moving around these are all

451
00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:55,680
commonly reported sounds of bigfoot and

452
00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:57,920
commonly reported bigfoot activities so

453
00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:59,680
there's something up there that's

454
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:01,360
drawing our attention

455
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:04,240
so we continue to monitor this area

456
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:07,440
and um it was probably in

457
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,000
i want to say maybe mid april that we

458
00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:12,240
brought in a film crew that's filming a

459
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,600
documentary on the ridge and uh at that

460
00:16:21,829 --> 00:16:18,240
point in time we brought ron murphy in

461
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:21,839
um myself we had the film crew with us

462
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:24,480
um tom mihawk was with us the husband

463
00:16:28,550 --> 00:16:26,320
and wife couple who were with us

464
00:16:29,829 --> 00:16:28,560
in that first couple of weeks in march

465
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,839
late march

466
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:32,000
um my son was back with us and we had

467
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:33,440
some other investigators with ricky

468
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,880
cherby and a couple other people were

469
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:37,040
with us um

470
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:38,720
the first hour or so of the

471
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:40,160
investigation

472
00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,920
it was rather dead

473
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,680
there wasn't much in the way of activity

474
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:44,800
there were some weird things that

475
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:47,600
happened some loud thumps on the ground

476
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:49,680
some loud um

477
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,240
possibles i guess you call them stomping

478
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,079
sounds it sounded like something would

479
00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:56,639
stop its feet but nothing real

480
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,519
conclusive to make us get excited

481
00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:02,079
it wasn't till probably around 9 30 10

482
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:05,360
o'clock then all hell broke loose

483
00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:06,880
um

484
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:10,079
we had split up into several teams

485
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:12,000
and we wanted to try to cover some more

486
00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:12,880
area

487
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,760
we first had our first experience that

488
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:19,679
march evening

489
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:22,799
where we heard the wood knock and we

490
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,319
had the uh

491
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,319
thing thrown at the jeep and we heard

492
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:28,319
the footfalls and all that activity that

493
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:29,760
happened in march

494
00:17:35,029 --> 00:17:32,720
we'd split up into several teams um we

495
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:35,039
had film crews with several of these

496
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:37,840
teams filming as we were out there

497
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:40,160
and um

498
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,880
at first things started off rather

499
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:43,919
subtle

500
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:46,960
with um some howls some knocks some

501
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:48,640
whooping sounds

502
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,919
and then things started getting a little

503
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:51,280
strange

504
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:57,039
that was down um probably a good

505
00:18:01,990 --> 00:17:58,799
three quarters of a mile away from our

506
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:02,000
group began to report hearing

507
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,720
a metal sound

508
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:06,320
the best way i can describe it is if you

509
00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:09,120
take an empty beer bottle with a pork

510
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:11,520
you would hit that beer bottle

511
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,080
a clanging sound and it was happening

512
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:16,320
all around them in the forest they

513
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:17,600
couldn't couldn't pinpoint where the

514
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:18,799
location it was coming from but it

515
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,200
sounded like somebody was taking a fork

516
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:23,520
and a beer bottle and just making that

517
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:25,679
tink sound and it was happening all

518
00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:27,039
around them but they were radio and

519
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:28,880
reporting in what they were hearing

520
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,520
then they began hearing murmuring sounds

521
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,360
or mumbling sounds

522
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:35,600
like the sound of something talking in

523
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:36,799
the forest

524
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:38,480
but again they couldn't make out what it

525
00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:40,080
was saying they couldn't pinpoint where

526
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,760
it was coming from but it was coming

527
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:43,840
from all around them

528
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,160
and then the lights began

529
00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,320
and what i mean by lights we started

530
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,320
seeing as a collective group that split

531
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:52,480
up in different areas lights appearing

532
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:53,679
in the forest

533
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,480
um it wasn't just one group the groups

534
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,320
were seeing lights coming from different

535
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:01,120
locations in the forest um

536
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:02,960
my group that consisted of me the

537
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:06,160
husband um and his son

538
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:08,480
where to pick up truck ron and my son

539
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,400
were together the film crew

540
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,919
walked down the path towards the lower

541
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,600
group that were three quarters of a mile

542
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,240
away they had seen lights

543
00:19:24,310 --> 00:19:20,320
um the group that was down at the bottom

544
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:25,669
it was just happening all around and

545
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:28,400
these lights can best be described as a

546
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:30,320
variety of different colors the ones i

547
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,280
saw

548
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,360
were three

549
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,120
greenish blue lights floating through

550
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,440
the trees it almost looked like

551
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:39,440
people were walking through the forest

552
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:41,919
carrying cell phones with the white the

553
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:44,400
cell phone lights exposed facing towards

554
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:45,200
me

555
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,640
they were joined by a fourth red light

556
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:50,880
and they've just all disappeared

557
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,400
um

558
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:54,160
while we were all standing on the main

559
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:55,120
road

560
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:56,320
together

561
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:59,200
we saw and one feel free to jump in and

562
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,400
add it any time because you were there

563
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:02,080
you witnessed this yourself

564
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:05,440
we saw a light about 10 to 15 feet high

565
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:08,400
in the trees that resembled a very

566
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:09,919
bright

567
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:13,039
flashlight beam that was facing towards

568
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,919
us

569
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,600
but the odd thing is the group that was

570
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:17,200
three quarters of a mile away we're

571
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,720
seeing the beam facing towards them

572
00:20:24,149 --> 00:20:22,080
so

573
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,159
that was witnessed by all the groups

574
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,679
everybody was seeing it and no matter

575
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:27,760
how close we tried to get to it

576
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,559
we couldn't get to it

577
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:32,400
we would even radio out to each other to

578
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,039
confirm that no one had headlamps on

579
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,360
know what had camera lights on

580
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,520
no one had any kind of

581
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,000
um thermal equipment on nothing was on

582
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,840
to show any kind of lights being on in

583
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,360
the forest we get these lights were

584
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,880
surrounding us

585
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,000
why do you want to jump in and add

586
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:49,919
anything yeah you know yeah so i was

587
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,640
with josh i was with his son and uh we

588
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,480
were kind of like at a base camp where

589
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,400
everybody else was doing their thing

590
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,840
and we saw the lights which we

591
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,000
immediately thought were flashlights i

592
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:02,400
mean what else you think um and we were

593
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,840
walking through the woods you can see

594
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,159
that they were walking level uh then all

595
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,120
of a sudden they were starting to escape

596
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,559
into the streets until they were

597
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,880
approximately 30 feet off the fourth

598
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:15,440
route so whatever was going on was

599
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:18,559
changing altitude and it was really

600
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,320
pervasive now

601
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,559
what i found so fascinating about it

602
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,360
is that these lights also and this is

603
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,200
where it starts getting a little uh you

604
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:29,200
know the hair kind of raises up

605
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,799
um there would probably would you say

606
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,320
there was a dozen people there eric

607
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:34,000
probably something like that

608
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,440
yeah there was at least a dozen people

609
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,760
with the film crew everybody

610
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,159
ended up that night with having a

611
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,039
personal experience which kind of blows

612
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,520
my mind so we were all there as a group

613
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:47,520
and we were all witnessing these

614
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:49,760
anomalies as a group

615
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,480
but each person was perceiving things

616
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,120
differently than the other person uh

617
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,039
which really is kind of shocking um i

618
00:22:02,630 --> 00:21:59,520
had talked to eric about this and if it

619
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,640
was under a different context this could

620
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,720
have almost been written off as a

621
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,200
religious experience but because we were

622
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,600
investigating the paranormal we have to

623
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,000
look at something else um

624
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,880
tom one of our investigators uh these

625
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,880
lights came so close to him that he

626
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,280
actually reached out to touch one and it

627
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:21,760
vanished before he did

628
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:24,880
so you know what is going on um i know i

629
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:28,400
was investigating a dogman sighting um

630
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:31,919
probably it was about 2005 i suppose

631
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:35,440
and we were in a location um uh you're

632
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,120
very near the chestnut ridge but

633
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,280
probably about 30 miles from this

634
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,480
particular site

635
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:42,320
and um this was my first dogman

636
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,559
investigation and it it also dealt with

637
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:48,880
a light anomaly uh behind us on the

638
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,000
trail another investigator and i a light

639
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:54,080
just lit up it looked as if somebody

640
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,600
opened up a door

641
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,240
and the light kind of peered through or

642
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:00,320
just as soon as it opened it closed

643
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,200
again

644
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,440
and almost immediately after this

645
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,880
particular time

646
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,880
something was now in the woods making a

647
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,120
sound and moving and following us to the

648
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:10,720
point that we can also even hear it

649
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:13,600
vocalizing we're growling as well too

650
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,400
so

651
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,799
if if you were a bigfoot investing

652
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,039
holder you could say well i had a

653
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:20,960
bigfoot experience or if you were a

654
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,679
ghost investigator i saw the orb i had

655
00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:25,520
some sort of haunting experience same

656
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,440
way with a ufo investigator this was an

657
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,120
all-encompassing paranormal experience

658
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:33,760
in which whoever was there perceived it

659
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,360
in a different way than the entire group

660
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,159
yeah it's fascinating to me because

661
00:23:43,269 --> 00:23:41,760
as long as i've been investigating this

662
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,279
i've experienced a variety of different

663
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,919
phenomenon in the forest and

664
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:48,080
you know whether it be haunted locations

665
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,799
or

666
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,679
seeing

667
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,760
strange lights in this sky that i can't

668
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,279
explain but i've never been in a

669
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,360
situation where i have had that much

670
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,200
phenomenon happen

671
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,799
at one time

672
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,720
at one location

673
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:03,360
we had wood knocks happening howls

674
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,760
whoops we heard voices that we couldn't

675
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,799
explain

676
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,640
we had strange and light anomalies

677
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:10,720
happening around us we had

678
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,880
metallic sounds happening around us that

679
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,120
sounded like like i mentioned a beer

680
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,720
bottle and someone taking a fork or a

681
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:19,120
spoon and clanking it together

682
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,120
there was just so much phenomenon and as

683
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,720
ron mentioned everybody had their own

684
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,000
perceptions

685
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,919
the the good thing

686
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,840
we were lucky we had a film crew with us

687
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,760
because talking with the some of the

688
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,720
cameramen and the producer they did

689
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,520
capture some of this phenomenon on film

690
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,440
so when this documentary is released

691
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,799
hopefully they're going to release that

692
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,720
footage that they captured

693
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,880
but that was the night in april that i

694
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,400
talked to you about

695
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,720
just overwhelming amount of activity

696
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,919
that night

697
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,039
yeah since

698
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,360
since that night we've continued to

699
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,679
investigate and monitor this area we've

700
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,200
been up that area

701
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,960
gosh sometimes three or four nights a

702
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,760
week

703
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,799
um just continually going back

704
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,039
spending hours and day and night up in

705
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,200
that area and we've had

706
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:07,039
continued activity going on in that area

707
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,080
whether it be

708
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:10,400
bigfoot related activity or seeing the

709
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,600
lights again

710
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,880
not in the same frequency or the same

711
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,200
brightness or context but other people

712
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,360
have seen the lights in the forest

713
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,760
sometimes they appear as pinpoint lights

714
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,120
in the distance that appear to move

715
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,360
around other times they appear as laser

716
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,440
lights in the force like if you point a

717
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,039
laser in the force and you see it

718
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,559
zipping around

719
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:33,919
multiple colors blue green yellow orange

720
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,799
red

721
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,240
white

722
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,400
sometimes they're very large sometimes

723
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,840
they're very small

724
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:41,200
sometimes they're close sometimes

725
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:42,480
they're distant

726
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,600
um

727
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,279
there's some really strange phenomenon

728
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,360
going up there and the most recent we

729
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,440
were very fortunate to capture and i

730
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,279
actually released a very documented

731
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,760
report on it that included um

732
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,880
an analysis of the sounds was um at the

733
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,960
beginning of june we went up with and

734
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,679
set up some audio equipment um in the

735
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,320
same area where the uh the

736
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,240
voices were captured or heard i should

737
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,400
say the lights were seen

738
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,039
the strange metallic sound was was heard

739
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,200
we set up a several parabolic mics and

740
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,520
digital recorders and we in the first

741
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:17,440
night we were there we heard coming out

742
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,559
of the hollow

743
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,200
only could be described as a dog or a

744
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,919
canine type of animal that would bark

745
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,640
and howl for almost a good half an hour

746
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,039
it was unprovoked it was unsolicited as

747
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,480
soon as we got out of the vehicles it

748
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,960
was barking and howling in that ravine

749
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,039
the ring was so thick with foliage and

750
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,559
growth we couldn't see what it was but

751
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,640
we could hear it it was close

752
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,360
and after a good half an hour it left it

753
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,760
just went away we tried to get it to

754
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,840
respond to us by doing wood knocks doing

755
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,240
our own predator calls rabbit wounded

756
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,080
rabbit roon wounded

757
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,080
deer anything we could think of to get

758
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,559
it to respond it never responded to us

759
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,480
that was on a friday night i think june

760
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,960
the third if i'm not mistaken

761
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,720
and then the following night saturday

762
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,480
when we returned again

763
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:03,679
the same

764
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,679
type of howls were heard but these were

765
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,520
different um they were similar but

766
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,520
different and what i mean by that is

767
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:11,039
they were higher pitched

768
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,799
longer howls in in length um higher

769
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,320
pitch and frequency

770
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,480
they almost sounded canine like but not

771
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,640
quite but we were able to capture those

772
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:23,039
sounds on the parabolic mics and with

773
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:24,720
the digital recorders

774
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,200
and we sent them off for analysis and

775
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,039
the analysis said the first sounds from

776
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:31,520
friday night came back in the canine

777
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,200
range in the 450 to 500

778
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:37,360
hertz range which they confirmed is in

779
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,720
the the canine

780
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,600
um hurts sound range the sounds that

781
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:43,440
were captured on saturday night were a

782
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:46,840
dual frequency or due tonal frequency of

783
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,279
650 to 700 hertz and 1300 hertz which is

784
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:53,919
up in the infrasound frequency range so

785
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,600
whatever was making the sounds on

786
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,840
saturday night was not a canine it was

787
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,520
much higher than the human frequency

788
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:01,679
range it was making it was emitting two

789
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:04,559
frequency sounds it's 650 to 700

790
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,159
frequency range and the seven uh 1300

791
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,720
hertz range we have um

792
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,039
spectrograph pictures to document and

793
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,520
show that and we also have

794
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,760
the audio sounds captured as well

795
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,720
and

796
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,559
the people that analyze that gave us

797
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,240
their feedback that those sound

798
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,320
frequencies from saturday night do fall

799
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:26,240
in the range of suspected sasquatch

800
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,159
audio recordings

801
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:30,080
we can't validate that we can't confirm

802
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:31,279
that because we didn't see the animal

803
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,559
that made the call

804
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,640
but they fit into what's been captured

805
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,840
before and

806
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,760
and documented so we don't know what we

807
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,520
capture saturday night but they do fall

808
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,360
into what other others have reported and

809
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,679
collected is commonly reported sasquatch

810
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,399
sounds that was at the beginning of june

811
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,000
we've been back multiple times since

812
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:49,440
then and the activity has seemed to kind

813
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,520
of died off but we're going to continue

814
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,360
to monitor this area for more activity

815
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,120
and see what we can find see this is

816
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,760
typical this is typical chestnut ridge

817
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,120
stuff you know

818
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,120
like you know you get all this crazy

819
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:03,520
stuff going on one time

820
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,960
um

821
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,200
it just seems like you hit the jackpot

822
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,640
actually

823
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,880
because uh you may be dealing with a lot

824
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,840
of different aspects there

825
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:16,159
it's weird well like i said this is i've

826
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,440
been up and you know i've been up in the

827
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:19,679
ridge for gosh almost

828
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,880
25 30 years now investigating and i've

829
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,640
investigated all sorts of phenomenon up

830
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,960
there mainly the bigfoot phenomenon but

831
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,039
this is the first time in all those

832
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,200
years that i've been in a location where

833
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,360
there's been that much activity of a

834
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:35,840
variety of phenomenon just not just one

835
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,960
phenomenon occurring but a variety and

836
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,399
thank goodness there were 12 other

837
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,720
independent sources there that could

838
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,880
validate ron was there he he witnessed

839
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,640
it he heard it yeah there were other

840
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,240
people who could validate it yeah and

841
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:49,840
this is one of those things because it

842
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:53,279
sounds so outlandish that unless it was

843
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,960
you were there i really wouldn't expect

844
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,039
anybody to believe it i mean it sounds

845
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,039
like the ravings of people that go out

846
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:01,440
there wide-eyed and expect all this kind

847
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,640
of stuff to happen um but as eric said

848
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,720
you know we do hopefully have all this

849
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,720
stuff documented to the point that we

850
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,720
could actually present it um the way

851
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,799
that we saw it but i think that all of

852
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,559
us sitting here together in this round

853
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,120
table all of us being from pennsylvania

854
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,799
i think that we all probably have dealt

855
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,640
with some sort of light anomaly before

856
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,880
is that correct you've got something out

857
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,799
there can't explain

858
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,279
what was so incredible

859
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,760
is that this was compounded by the other

860
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:31,919
things as well too the wood knocks you

861
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,360
know the the house um and a general

862
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,559
sense of foreboding as well eric i i'm

863
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:40,320
sure that you thought it was well too

864
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:41,200
that

865
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,520
was something out of our element

866
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:47,039
but i also

867
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:47,919
felt

868
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,720
as if whatever this was out there in the

869
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,880
woods whatever these lights were

870
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,200
there was a certain intelligence

871
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:56,880
attached to it as well

872
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,320
and i'm not sure if it was kind of

873
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,200
checking us out observing us surveying

874
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,240
us um i'm not sure if that was going on

875
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:08,960
but there was a a definite attempt for

876
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,600
some sort of interaction i'm not sure if

877
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,760
i would go as far as say communication

878
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:16,000
but there was definitely a chance there

879
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,760
to say hey

880
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,279
we're here

881
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,360
what do you want to do with us i truly

882
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,320
believe that that happened

883
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,880
well eric keep us oppressed to this

884
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,120
stuff because uh

885
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,519
i i find it fascinating when we first

886
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,480
started talking about it and um

887
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,919
i want to thank you for coming on and

888
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,080
talking and letting us know any updates

889
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,640
and this is bizarre

890
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,600
yeah it's it's certainly been a strange

891
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,080
first half of the year and uh we're not

892
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,919
letting up on this area we're out there

893
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,320
like i said a couple days a week

894
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,440
as time permits and uh if i'm not there

895
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,360
part of my team is there we have people

896
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,440
up there all the time so we're

897
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,360
definitely monitoring the area we'll

898
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,279
continue to update you as things happen

899
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,600
and hopefully we get more activity more

900
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,320
strangeness you know as it goes on

901
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,320
well i appreciate it

902
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,600
so uh we've got james west and for

903
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,240
everyone who's on here right now james

904
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:15,840
is a two-time

905
00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:19,120
experiencer with the with a dog man

906
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:20,360
yeah unfortunately

907
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,080
[Laughter]

908
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:26,080
uh

909
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,760
i mean if you want to briefly let

910
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,760
everybody know what happened to you i

911
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,799
mean you

912
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,760
you recently were out uh out in arizona

913
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:35,760
for unexplained

914
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,720
and uh and told them about what happened

915
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,240
to you

916
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,399
and uh we look forward to that being

917
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,480
presented sometime

918
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,080
yeah i'll let everybody know they're

919
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:47,679
they're supposed to let me know when the

920
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,279
episode's gonna air good good

921
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,200
so uh

922
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,440
tell us give everybody a kind of a taste

923
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,960
what you went through

924
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,720
okay well

925
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,880
my first encounter

926
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:02,880
uh and vincent put up the picture that's

927
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:05,679
that's close to what i encountered the

928
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,399
his verbatim drawing of my description

929
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,360
right um

930
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,159
if to sum it up that's because you know

931
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,399
i could talk for an hour about it

932
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,200
um but i was out hunting one night

933
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,519
and it was snowing real heavy and i

934
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,279
packed all my gear out

935
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,039
out from my house behind my house up a

936
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,600
slate dump and i was sitting there and i

937
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:29,120
started getting cold

938
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,399
and um

939
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,399
i turned on my spotlight to leave and

940
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,720
about 10 feet away from me there's

941
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,279
there's a dog man on all fours sniffing

942
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,880
the ground

943
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,799
and whenever i turned that light on it

944
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,640
must have saw the light and just it

945
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:44,399
lifted its head up and looked right at

946
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,440
me

947
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,720
it uh

948
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:48,080
it

949
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:56,799
casually and stretched his chest out and

950
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,559
its chest made one loud pop

951
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,159
and it stood there and just looked at me

952
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,919
and now mind you i'm i'm

953
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,919
16 years old you know i'm sitting on the

954
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,840
ground

955
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,960
and this thing just towered over me

956
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,000
um

957
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,480
it took one step towards me and i shot

958
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,040
it in the right side of its chest

959
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,079
and it took off running it it cleared

960
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,159
the light circle that i was

961
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,399
that i had hit it with in about two

962
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:27,040
steps and i've figured it out since then

963
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,399
it it made about a ten foot straw or two

964
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:31,520
strides

965
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:35,599
a ten foot straight path in two steps

966
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,320
um since now i've also done

967
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,159
size comparisons i

968
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:42,159
went back with my father were the same

969
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,040
height

970
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,520
so we went back and i took pictures and

971
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,919
from it's my best guess that this thing

972
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,440
was between

973
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,040
uh

974
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,639
seven foot

975
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,720
and eight foot tall closer to the eight

976
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:56,000
foot um

977
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,119
around

978
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,160
seven foot ten is what i've been able to

979
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,560
figure out going over and over and over

980
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,599
and it

981
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,800
um

982
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,359
but after i shot it it like i said it

983
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,240
took off and i i followed after it for

984
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,119
about 30 or 40 feet and

985
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,680
i decided to give it up for the night

986
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:18,720
because it was wounded and it was dark

987
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,200
and it was just a little bit too much

988
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,599
for me at the time you know

989
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:26,079
so that that was the first time

990
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,960
that i had an encounter um the second

991
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,359
time was the following summer

992
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,760
i was walking to a friend's house and

993
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,320
about 50 to 60 feet down the road in

994
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,920
front of me and i was right on a main

995
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:39,119
road

996
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,000
um

997
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,839
i went off shoot of the main road

998
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,720
and

999
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,880
this large it was probably about the

1000
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:48,720
size if you take two or three bull

1001
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:51,040
mastiffs and put them together

1002
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,839
uh

1003
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,520
bulk wise

1004
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:55,839
um it come out of the woods i thought it

1005
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,280
was just a huge black dog at first and

1006
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,640
it decided to come running up at me

1007
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,520
and it lunged at me and when it lunged i

1008
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:07,119
just turned

1009
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,119
pushed made a fist and pushed my arm

1010
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,040
straight out in front of me like this

1011
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,920
and its mouth went right over my fist

1012
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,839
and went down to my elbow down its

1013
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:19,520
throat

1014
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,400
fell on top of it and just laid on it

1015
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,320
for like three minutes until it quit

1016
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:28,160
moving

1017
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,280
and

1018
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,000
after it quit moving i i shuffled off of

1019
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,160
it and stood up and i was standing there

1020
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:36,560
scraping this stuff off of my arm and it

1021
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,520
was it was like maybe 20 to 30 seconds

1022
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,359
and it was gagging already getting back

1023
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,119
up

1024
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,960
and i've had people ask me well how do

1025
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:46,960
you know that it was a dog man and not

1026
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,240
just a big dog and i said well because

1027
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,240
at first i thought it was a dog until it

1028
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,240
grabbed me by the legs while i had it in

1029
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,400
the headlock like that it grabbed me by

1030
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,000
my thighs

1031
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,119
and luckily i had briarguard pants on

1032
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,079
and it prevented it from digging into my

1033
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,040
upper thighs like that

1034
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,760
but after i got off of it like i said it

1035
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,079
was like 20 to 30 seconds it was already

1036
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,000
waking back up from being choked out i

1037
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,760
know me i'd have been laying there i'd

1038
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,040
have been done if i would have been

1039
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,359
choked out like that you know

1040
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,720
and it just

1041
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,320
like it seemed like it knocked it out

1042
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,960
and it it was just enough to phase it to

1043
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,200
knock it out and before i even realized

1044
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,040
that it was getting back up already but

1045
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,040
it it was on all fours and it just

1046
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:33,119
stared into my eyes

1047
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,800
and the thing that i'll always remember

1048
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,720
until the day i die i'll never forget

1049
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,960
the color of those eyes is just they're

1050
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,440
they're like a yellow ambush color but

1051
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,599
they're just so beautiful

1052
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,400
i mean i don't know how you could

1053
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:48,320
how you could replicate that color it

1054
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:51,839
was just so unnaturally beautiful

1055
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,720
um

1056
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,960
but it it looked at me like that for a

1057
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,839
second

1058
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:58,800
and it ran around me and ran back into

1059
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:02,079
the woods and i've never seen them since

1060
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,240
um

1061
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,520
it is a pretty remarkable story yeah i

1062
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,160
i've since then i've had

1063
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,760
um more than 15 or 20 times

1064
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,520
of stuff coming up to my house in the

1065
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,440
middle of the night banging on my walls

1066
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:19,680
and my windows trying to unlock the

1067
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:21,119
front door

1068
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,320
and i don't leave a key outside

1069
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:26,320
and

1070
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:28,240
you know something was trying to unlock

1071
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:29,280
my door

1072
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,480
and the porch light went out this just

1073
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:33,680
happened

1074
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,480
uh

1075
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,880
since i was on the show that so like in

1076
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,599
the last month i i sleep on the couch

1077
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,280
right by the front door

1078
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,599
and i heard the doorknob jiggle

1079
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,000
and i don't lock the the knob part i

1080
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,240
just locked the deadbolt and something

1081
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,720
was messing with that knob so i went

1082
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,240
over and flipped my porch light on and

1083
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,760
it didn't come on

1084
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,760
and i'm going now what the heck is going

1085
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,599
on you know so i went and i grabbed my

1086
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,000
12 gauge and a flashlight and i opened

1087
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,000
up the door real slow and

1088
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,400
my front gate is normally locked to keep

1089
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,960
my big dogs from running off the porch

1090
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:09,119
well the the gate was swinging and it

1091
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,470
do you feel that uh

1092
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,480
that it actually tracked you back home

1093
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,240
do you feel that that's what happened

1094
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,880
yeah definitely well from where i had my

1095
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,320
first encounter it was only

1096
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,480
approximately 500 yards from where i

1097
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,280
live i say okay okay

1098
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:28,800
yeah now what did you shoot this

1099
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,839
creature with with the same 12 gauge

1100
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,720
wow

1101
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,960
number two number two coyote loads as

1102
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,960
well and at that close of range i mean

1103
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,960
that could conceivably blow a human

1104
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,359
being's head off of its shoulders oh a

1105
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,960
human being you would have had a hole

1106
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:44,800
the size of a pie plate through you

1107
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,680
right absolutely absolutely

1108
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,599
yeah wow

1109
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,200
this is such an interesting field though

1110
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,200
one you know because now there's all

1111
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,119
these questions because i've never

1112
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,200
experienced anything like this you know

1113
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,920
i've had anecdotal uh things happen but

1114
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,520
i've never experienced this kind of you

1115
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,680
know hands-on with the creature so let

1116
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:05,359
me just ask a couple questions did you

1117
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:06,079
feel

1118
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,040
that this was a flesh and blood creature

1119
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:10,880
that was this something that was a

1120
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,599
transforming type of thing what was your

1121
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,280
initial feeling did you feel that it was

1122
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,520
naturally belonging in the forest that

1123
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,040
you were

1124
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,359
i mean i i didn't think that it was

1125
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,680
natural as far as it should be there

1126
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,240
right right right right but it didn't

1127
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,480
seem like it was an apparition type

1128
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,720
thing or it was uh

1129
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,520
like

1130
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,920
the only thing i go by is the physical

1131
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,079
evidence because when i shot it it did

1132
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,200
leave blood okay okay i mean when i was

1133
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,560
that age

1134
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,160
the last thing i was thinking of was

1135
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,400
collecting dna at

1136
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,400
quarter after 12 in the morning with

1137
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,000
this thing running around out here with

1138
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,599
me you know what i mean i i didn't even

1139
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,480
know this kind of stuff existed i mean i

1140
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,839
i didn't even know that there was such a

1141
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,960
word as dog man right right you know

1142
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,839
and

1143
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:00,000
i mean everybody knows about werewolves

1144
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,520
they've heard of werewolves from myths

1145
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:03,440
and movies and books and games and you

1146
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:04,720
name it there's something about a

1147
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:10,150
i don't think

1148
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:10,960
that

1149
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,280
it was your traditional what you would

1150
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,760
call a werewolf it i it didn't seem like

1151
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,280
it would

1152
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,520
it like whenever it stood up on both of

1153
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,440
its back legs like that it just made one

1154
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,680
popping sound out of its sternum

1155
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:25,920
like a like if you hit a 50 gallon drum

1156
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,119
with a bat it was like bunk real loud

1157
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,720
and but that's all it did it didn't make

1158
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,440
any joint popping or you know like like

1159
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,280
it was literally

1160
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,599
uh correcting its posture it's like it

1161
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,640
it can just go from all fours to upright

1162
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:43,440
like it doesn't have to

1163
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,720
you know what i'm saying like it doesn't

1164
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,640
have to necessarily

1165
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,440
try to transform it's all ready to go it

1166
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:50,800
can just go

1167
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,040
that's and that's my personal opinion

1168
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,960
just because of how it moved like the

1169
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:57,280
fluidity and its movements it wasn't

1170
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,920
jerky it wasn't trying to like

1171
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,000
stretching itself out it just stood up

1172
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,079
and it went like this pulled its chest

1173
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,839
out and popped and then it was like it

1174
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,760
was like ready it just started taking a

1175
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,760
step towards me and

1176
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,359
if it would have stood there i might not

1177
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:13,040
have done nothing you know if it would

1178
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,560
have just stood there and looked at me

1179
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,560
it might have got away with it but when

1180
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,240
it took a step towards me i just viewed

1181
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,640
that as aggression you know because

1182
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:22,400
you're already close enough to reach out

1183
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,000
and grab me practically why do you need

1184
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,640
to get closer to him right right so i

1185
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,720
want you guys to hear something that i

1186
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,280
got a call on the other day

1187
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,520
and i got eric involved with this

1188
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,079
because it was so bizarre

1189
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,920
uh

1190
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,760
now you all remember butch now butch

1191
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,720
lived up in birdsboro pennsylvania and

1192
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,720
there's an area not far from him called

1193
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,160
french creek

1194
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,480
it's a you know it's a natural area

1195
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,480
and butch has been investigating that

1196
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,000
for years

1197
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,240
and he swore there were dog men in there

1198
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:56,800
or upright canines

1199
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,079
so now butch passes away in february

1200
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,400
and now i get a call from a guy by the

1201
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:04,960
name of matt

1202
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,240
and this guy is describing

1203
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,680
i don't know what the hell this thing

1204
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,040
was

1205
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,440
so i asked eric

1206
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,839
to give this guy a call and run it by

1207
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:16,960
him

1208
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,079
and eric tell us what he told you and

1209
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,760
what's your assessment of what's going

1210
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:24,720
on because i've got a i've got uh

1211
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,200
timothy renner and and uh uh

1212
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,680
one of our other investigators in going

1213
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,280
on with this as well

1214
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,400
but uh

1215
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,720
eric what do you think's going on

1216
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,680
well i just sent uh i just sent uh

1217
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,720
vincent the uh photo that this gentleman

1218
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:44,800
i talked to his name is matt

1219
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:48,160
he drew a description of this thing and

1220
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,520
before we go

1221
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,640
into that

1222
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,040
you know i talked to this guy he's 53

1223
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:56,240
he's uh you know he's avid outdoorsman

1224
00:44:02,790 --> 00:43:59,920
um he's a aerospace engineer you know

1225
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,800
found the guy very easy to talk to but

1226
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,640
was very

1227
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,560
very agitated and very like you could

1228
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,960
tell that this experience really shook

1229
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:10,800
him you know you could tell that

1230
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:14,000
um he was basically out in

1231
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:14,880
uh

1232
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,480
that's

1233
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,839
it's over near

1234
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,839
i guess it's in birdsboro it's in it's

1235
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,599
in berks county pennsylvania it's burst

1236
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,480
county

1237
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,920
so he had been over there with his

1238
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,319
daughter fishing and uh they had to walk

1239
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,640
down this trail and go fishing at the

1240
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,319
spot that they were fishing

1241
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,560
so as they're fishing he's

1242
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,200
hearing this like it sounds like trees

1243
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,680
knocking down you know like trees

1244
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,440
getting knocked over just and it's been

1245
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,800
going on for like an hour and a half

1246
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,079
while they're fishing

1247
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,760
and he just he doesn't see it he could

1248
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,280
hear it you know

1249
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,480
and so as they get done fishing

1250
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,240
and all of a sudden he's hearing it

1251
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,480
again and he looks up and what he's what

1252
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,680
he sees

1253
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,000
is up in this pine tree i guess there

1254
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,160
was there's a rock ledge there was a

1255
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:01,440
rock wall

1256
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,319
and yeah

1257
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,920
he was on the other side of a small

1258
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,400
quarry up there yeah and he was looking

1259
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,240
on the other side of the quarry yeah it

1260
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,000
was like three or four hundred feet away

1261
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,160
yeah and he's looking up and he sees all

1262
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:14,960
this commotion going on in the treetops

1263
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,280
and here he looks at it he sees what he

1264
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,800
thinks is an arm

1265
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,359
reaching out to grab this bird

1266
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,680
it was like it was grabbing this bird

1267
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,760
well as it did that

1268
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:27,520
he said it fell

1269
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:30,480
out of this tree like 60 feet

1270
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,280
flat onto this rock ledge

1271
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,680
and i mean it would kill a human being

1272
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,480
you know this thing flattened out

1273
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,319
and then stood up and when it stood up

1274
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:42,240
it stood up on two legs

1275
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,599
and this is kind of what he what he

1276
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:45,359
described what he saw

1277
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,400
um and he said the legs themselves were

1278
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,200
like just from the hip to the heel was

1279
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,079
like six feet and the the arms were like

1280
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,920
six feet from his you know from his

1281
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,400
direction from his perspective so if

1282
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,400
this thing reached up like put it in it

1283
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,480
would be like 12 feet tall

1284
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,920
um

1285
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,119
and that was kind of like he said it

1286
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,440
looked like sort of like a like it kept

1287
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,400
like a hyena uh you know head to it and

1288
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,440
snout

1289
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,359
and these low ears

1290
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:14,720
you know pretty much like what he's

1291
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,440
drawn there and it was like a um and

1292
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,680
like almost like cheetah type markings

1293
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,720
there

1294
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:22,079
so um

1295
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:22,960
you know

1296
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,160
then he got really really nervous

1297
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,400
um because what he heard so

1298
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,599
he had his car and his truck were were

1299
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,880
basically

1300
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,280
where this thing disappeared into he had

1301
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,079
to go the same way to go get his truck

1302
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,560
so he got really nervous going back into

1303
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,319
that area but you know people were

1304
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,480
coming up the trail and he's asking them

1305
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:45,839
did you see anything

1306
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:48,400
and he was trying to warn people um you

1307
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,599
know and just

1308
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,960
you know and i think more people

1309
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,760
nowadays are more open to these type of

1310
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,760
sightings than maybe even like 10 years

1311
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,560
ago

1312
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,319
uh whereas you know people have had

1313
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,000
those experiences

1314
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,520
but a couple of the people that he

1315
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,680
talked to didn't uh hadn't seen anything

1316
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,760
so for all intents and purposes this

1317
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,839
thing disappeared

1318
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,319
so um he didn't know what it was you

1319
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,640
know he he wasn't i think he said he

1320
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:15,040
wasn't really carrying a weapon

1321
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:17,920
so it was one of those things and i mean

1322
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,319
it goes back to my dog man encounter in

1323
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,920
elkhorn wisconsin

1324
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,160
you know and it's uh it's along the

1325
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,079
similar lines of like

1326
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,680
not being prepared

1327
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,440
which you know i thought you know i

1328
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:30,640
don't know if you want me to tell that

1329
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,200
story lon but that was sure go ahead

1330
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:35,680
you know for you guys ron and james that

1331
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:38,720
don't know and and the listeners um so

1332
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,760
my team did a investigation in elkhorn

1333
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,680
wisconsin of the beast of bray road

1334
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,599
which i'm sure a lot of you have heard

1335
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,400
of

1336
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,160
uh and again that's supposed to be an

1337
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:51,200
upright canine dog man werewolf-like

1338
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,400
creature

1339
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,960
so we go out and i'm like thinking oh

1340
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,400
we're gonna do this great you know

1341
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,160
documentary video it's gonna be great

1342
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,240
you know one of our fans you know got us

1343
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:02,000
out there and she sponsored the entire

1344
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,800
thing

1345
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,000
and uh and we get out there not thinking

1346
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,920
that i'd actually encounter that we

1347
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,000
would actually encounter this thing on

1348
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,000
the night of october third

1349
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,720
and so to preface the entire thing we

1350
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:16,960
were on the farm of lee hampel

1351
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:20,240
lee is a retired math teacher uh he has

1352
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,680
a 35 acre hayfield that it's a hay farm

1353
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,480
and he he's a hay farmer great guy him

1354
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,640
and his brother fred awesome people

1355
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,440
um so the night of october 3rd and

1356
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:32,960
earlier in the day

1357
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,400
i decided well let's bait the area let's

1358
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:38,240
go down to this area that lee calls the

1359
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,440
bait area

1360
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,520
where i'll tell you you know he's got

1361
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,480
you talk about lights ron you talk about

1362
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,559
lights going through the woods

1363
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,880
lee has pictures of

1364
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,440
literally like ufo lights going through

1365
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:54,160
the woods video from his trail cam and

1366
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,520
we went over to those woods and there

1367
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,599
was no way that could be like vehicles

1368
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,520
or atvs or anything like that going

1369
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,599
through there because it's really thick

1370
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,119
and they were just smoothly going

1371
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,760
through the trees like that huge orbs

1372
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:07,520
and just incredible

1373
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:10,720
so those were on the trail cams and uh

1374
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,520
before before we had our encounter with

1375
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,760
the with the dog man

1376
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,640
we get out there it's about 8 30.

1377
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,480
lee had just gotten done showing us a

1378
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,240
lot of the anomalies and stuff that he's

1379
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,240
had on the property over the years

1380
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,800
and we go out to the field

1381
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,720
it's about 8 30 so it's october so it's

1382
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:30,400
got dark early

1383
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,520
and uh

1384
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,400
don and it had been kind of cloudy so we

1385
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,319
were not sure we might it was going to

1386
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,760
rain we thought maybe we'd have to scrub

1387
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,800
the whole thing

1388
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,520
so anyway we get out there and the skies

1389
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,520
cleared up and dominic's to tell my

1390
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,559
teammate

1391
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,480
uh and it was me dominic and ellen

1392
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,559
collins and scott chrysler who was doing

1393
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,839
the filming

1394
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:51,839
um dominic looks up because what the

1395
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,800
hell is that and you could see it was a

1396
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,599
solid white orb just going over the

1397
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,559
field

1398
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,240
and you could see other planes there

1399
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,680
were planes in the air you could see

1400
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,400
other planes 30 000 feet flying this

1401
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,960
thing was a solid orb of light that went

1402
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,160
over the field

1403
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,480
silent no no sound

1404
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,920
and as it's going over we're trying to

1405
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,359
figure out what the hell it is you know

1406
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,280
and then all of a sudden it does this

1407
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,400
little 45 degree angle and disappears

1408
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,160
and you can see it all on video it's our

1409
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,640
it's on our video called the vista great

1410
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:24,800
road alive and well it's on our youtube

1411
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,200
channel that was the first thing

1412
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,359
so we were like what we could believe

1413
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:32,240
that that was just very crazy then after

1414
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:33,280
that

1415
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,480
howl in the distance

1416
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,960
and then it we heard one closer

1417
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,720
and then the third one

1418
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,960
the third howl and i think vincent i

1419
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,640
gave you a video

1420
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,800
um of this howl and i also give you the

1421
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,319
the ufo video i don't know if you could

1422
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,240
play that um

1423
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,440
but

1424
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,280
this howl to me

1425
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,000
it was not a fox it wasn't an owl it

1426
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,119
wasn't a screech owl nothing like that

1427
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:03,599
um this was more like a man screaming in

1428
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:05,599
the field so that's flashing here's the

1429
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,790
that's a plane that's a plane there's a

1430
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:15,040
plane over here that is just solid

1431
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,920
lights

1432
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,240
going away from us

1433
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,880
well actually it was getting brighter

1434
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,720
holy now it's gone really gone well look

1435
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:24,240
at that yeah it's gone it's gone it's

1436
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,440
gone

1437
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,119
and we're like that's what and that was

1438
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,200
real time there that was just real time

1439
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,440
uh what we were seeing and what we were

1440
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:33,839
experiencing at that point uh and like i

1441
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,760
said the howls then this third hell it

1442
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:37,680
to me it sounded like a man screaming in

1443
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,920
the field it was really this something

1444
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:41,359
i've never heard before it's like a

1445
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,400
guttural

1446
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,359
like

1447
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,400
growl yell combination

1448
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:48,400
and check this out

1449
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,390
that's getting closer

1450
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:03,510
you can if you go to the video it sounds

1451
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,480
a lot better i gotta tell you though

1452
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:08,079
that sound

1453
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:12,960
we had little lavalier microphones on

1454
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,839
those tiny mics it was that loud to pick

1455
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,160
it up and it was about three maybe 400

1456
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,640
yards away maybe even more

1457
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,760
um

1458
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,599
it was it was

1459
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,680
wolf like but and definitely not a

1460
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:28,240
coyote no it's not a coyote definitely

1461
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,640
not a coyote it had this like raspy

1462
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,960
you know guttural kind of uh

1463
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,400
sound to it

1464
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,800
so right off the bat we that put us on

1465
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,240
high alert and it changed my whole

1466
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,160
perspective on what's out there

1467
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,559
because like i said i i went into this

1468
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,839
thinking we were going to go and do this

1469
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,599
great documentary not

1470
00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:49,760
realizing that we'd actually encounter

1471
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,720
this thing

1472
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:52,480
um and of course i wasn't prepared i

1473
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:58,309
i hope we had a flashlight and a radio

1474
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,319
that was it that was and that would not

1475
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:03,119
do it uh but even like with stan gordon

1476
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:04,960
you know we talked about stan gordon um

1477
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,040
stan's had you know accounts of some of

1478
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,599
these uh some of these even bigfoot uh

1479
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,000
creatures that they come in light and

1480
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,520
all of a sudden you know that they

1481
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,559
appear

1482
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,960
and who knows if a gun will even like

1483
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,960
work on them you know if they're

1484
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,960
interdimensional type things

1485
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,119
i will say the third

1486
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,440
uh we had a trifecta that night of

1487
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,119
activity so the third thing that

1488
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:28,960
happened was third thing

1489
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,079
was this weird mist started coming up

1490
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,599
from the field

1491
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:35,520
and it was the strangest thing man and

1492
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,400
it was like i call it an electronic fog

1493
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,280
because what happened was it started

1494
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,400
cutting our

1495
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,800
our lava our mics in and out it was

1496
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,640
messing with the with the electronics

1497
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,599
there

1498
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:49,520
and this is a thing that i found out

1499
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,480
later

1500
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,480
from stan was there people are getting a

1501
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,400
lot of reports of this mist along with

1502
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:56,800
the bigfoot sightings so i didn't know

1503
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,160
that there was a connection there so

1504
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,920
there is some kind of weird connection

1505
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,680
but you're talking about portals we're

1506
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,079
talking about interdimensional things

1507
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:06,480
lee has thousands and thousands of

1508
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:07,520
pictures

1509
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,319
of

1510
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,400
weird lights portals he's got pictures

1511
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:12,160
of portals there's a picture where

1512
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,280
literally

1513
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,720
there's something standing in this

1514
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,760
doorway

1515
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:17,680
you know in lon you've had leon you know

1516
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,880
you know lee

1517
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,359
um and he's he's kept a lot of pictures

1518
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,359
very close to the vest there's a lot of

1519
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,359
things that he hasn't shown people which

1520
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:27,280
are will just blow you away i've seen a

1521
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,319
few of them

1522
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,240
and we usually put them in some of our

1523
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,359
videos and there he is right there

1524
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,640
so

1525
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,400
you know gotta love vincent man we love

1526
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:38,960
the artists in the paranormal too

1527
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,480
i have another good friend of mine i

1528
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,160
gotta give a shout out timothy wayne

1529
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,400
williams he does a lot of our artwork

1530
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,920
for a lot of our videos and does

1531
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,440
reenactments of some of the scenes that

1532
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,200
we've been in so it's always good to

1533
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,280
have a great artist on your team as well

1534
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,880
because i'll tell you you know to be

1535
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:55,680
able to to get your descriptions of

1536
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:58,000
these creatures is really really really

1537
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,839
important um

1538
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,440
but you know

1539
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,119
there were so many weird things that

1540
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,680
happened that in that couple of day time

1541
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,799
frame

1542
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,040
so the other thing was we left the

1543
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,200
investigation that night

1544
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:13,280
the weirdest thing the entire town of

1545
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,160
elkhorn lost power

1546
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,040
it was completely out of power so you

1547
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,640
had that so the next morning i got a

1548
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,079
call from lee

1549
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,880
saying oh by the way the trail cams that

1550
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,559
i had on

1551
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,920
on you guys

1552
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,839
they stopped at five o'clock the night

1553
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,160
of the investigation and didn't turn on

1554
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,599
again until seven o'clock the next

1555
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,480
morning

1556
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:36,000
so it's like something went out there

1557
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,599
and shut it off

1558
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,760
and it was just the strangest thing and

1559
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,079
then on the on top of that the bones

1560
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,240
were gone i we had steak bones that i

1561
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,720
had baited in that area they were gone

1562
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,799
so you know maybe coyotes took those who

1563
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,720
i don't know but that would they were

1564
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,520
gone and i'll tell you you know the just

1565
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,079
the weirdest thing and uh so in my hotel

1566
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,319
room we always laugh about this but uh

1567
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,880
the hotel lost power too and i i found

1568
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:03,359
on the floor of my hotel room a stick i

1569
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,799
might i must have brought back from

1570
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,160
lee's field

1571
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,599
and dominic goes you brought it back

1572
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,400
with you didn't you so

1573
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,200
but it was just crazy i mean um

1574
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,599
and you guys are i mean this is and this

1575
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:17,200
is elkhorn now

1576
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,799
let's fast forward to just a couple of

1577
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,920
weeks ago

1578
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,760
uh lon i don't know you guys probably

1579
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,599
know tom carrey too

1580
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:25,839
tom carrey is he's the he's out in

1581
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,640
roswell right now for the roswell uh

1582
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:31,920
festival but uh tom is you know the

1583
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,640
authority of roswell he did so much uh

1584
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,040
he's written seven books on roswell

1585
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:38,559
talked to the people who actually saw

1586
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,200
the bodies handled the wreckage i mean

1587
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,640
if you have it if you don't know tom

1588
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,640
carrey go check him out he's incredible

1589
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,440
but tom is also an anthropologist which

1590
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,960
we didn't realize

1591
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,839
and tom gave us a really great uh idea

1592
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:54,079
of what bigfoot could be

1593
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,839
and it's in another video we did in the

1594
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:58,480
bigfoot in the pine barrens but tom and

1595
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,280
i right now are investigating

1596
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:03,760
a dogman sighting in montgomery county

1597
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,920
pennsylvania called the beast of bryn

1598
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:07,599
athen it's around the bryn athen

1599
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,040
pennsylvania area that's around like um

1600
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,480
you want to say you know huntington

1601
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,480
valley lawn like around that area yeah

1602
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,400
it's up near penn state

1603
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,240
and the weirdest thing is it's we're

1604
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,319
getting these reports of these people

1605
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,920
and witness descriptions too where

1606
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,520
they're drawing them out

1607
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,000
this thing's on four legs very very

1608
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,240
strange way of walking

1609
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,319
but then it gets up on two legs and when

1610
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,000
it's on two legs

1611
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,960
it's like gliding it just glides

1612
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,640
people have seen this thing in the field

1613
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:38,480
it's gliding in the field and it stops

1614
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,400
goes down for all fours and takes off

1615
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:43,599
also

1616
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,000
some portal activity they're seeing this

1617
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,000
thing and all of a sudden it's gone it

1618
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,160
disappears and the way it's running and

1619
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,839
jumping it's jumping and kind of

1620
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,400
bouncing in different areas so it's it's

1621
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:58,240
just very very strange so we're looking

1622
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:59,440
into that now

1623
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,640
and uh

1624
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,720
even talked to the mayor down there and

1625
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,000
uh he's

1626
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,760
he's intrigued by the whole thing so

1627
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:07,200
there's a lot of witnesses that we still

1628
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,559
need to talk to so this is a really

1629
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:11,040
fresh case well that huntington valley

1630
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,680
huntington valley um

1631
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,359
there's a lot of bigfoot activity up

1632
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,880
there because i've been called to cases

1633
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:18,079
before

1634
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:19,599
uh

1635
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:22,319
that's near raystown lake yeah that area

1636
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,520
around there

1637
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,359
and that whole valley's got some spooky

1638
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,520
stuff i mean you know even before before

1639
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:29,920
they damned up the river and put the

1640
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,400
lake in there well you know here we are

1641
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:34,720
in bucks county here and marks county

1642
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,760
had the huge ufo flap in 2008 that we're

1643
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,920
still talking about people still can't

1644
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:41,520
and there i mean there was thousands of

1645
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:42,960
reports and people are still talking

1646
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,839
about it

1647
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,000
uh you know and the week after we got

1648
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,799
back from elkhorn we went to investigate

1649
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,200
reports of juvenile bigfoot sightings in

1650
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:53,520
the new jersey time barons

1651
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:54,319
and

1652
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,240
that's in the video as well i mean so

1653
00:59:02,710 --> 00:59:00,079
ron you're talking about like pinpoints

1654
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,720
of light and things like that we dominic

1655
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,960
we kept seeing and this is a phenomenon

1656
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,079
going on too

1657
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:08,480
red pinpoints of light that people are

1658
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,280
seeing

1659
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,280
along with these bigfoot sightings could

1660
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,680
it be i shine we don't know

1661
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,559
um

1662
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,240
i meant to say and i forgot to say this

1663
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,200
too we shined where we heard the dog man

1664
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:20,960
and when and james you're talking about

1665
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:24,240
the yellow eyes we saw eye shine

1666
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,200
over in the in the cornfield now the

1667
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,960
corn was up at this time

1668
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,880
um and we saw these eyes like just

1669
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,720
darting like back and forth like this

1670
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:35,119
and it was about six seven feet up into

1671
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,480
the tree line

1672
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:39,040
so it was very it was there something

1673
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:40,559
was definitely there

1674
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,440
um but in the pine barrens we're sitting

1675
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:45,760
there talking to art mac one of the eric

1676
00:59:49,270 --> 00:59:48,160
spinner and art mac you know bigfoot

1677
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,280
researchers

1678
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,200
and just real quick that we were talking

1679
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:53,040
to art talking about their protocols and

1680
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,559
what they do when they're doing their

1681
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,240
investigation

1682
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,520
as we're doing that we heard a whoop

1683
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,000
and i i stopped we stopped

1684
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,000
and we heard it again

1685
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,400
and here eric has these hi you can hear

1686
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,079
it on the camera but eric had the high

1687
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,319
powered uh microphones going on at the

1688
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:12,559
same time so we listened back and sure

1689
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:15,760
enough you can hear that and as we're

1690
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,200
hearing these whoops eric's wife

1691
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,839
goes and starts answering it back

1692
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:24,000
and so she starts going whoop and it

1693
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,359
answers back

1694
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,880
and this was going back and forth for

1695
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,319
like four or five times so they were

1696
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,960
having a conversation so this was there

1697
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,119
was definitely something there

1698
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:35,280
and i mean we're five miles into the

1699
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,040
pine barrens there is not a soul around

1700
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:41,280
no houses no nothing

1701
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,760
uh when we parked the truck we went

1702
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:46,000
about 600 feet into this area called the

1703
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,880
bowl

1704
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,160
and it's an area that's kind of like

1705
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,400
it's up on either side you look it looks

1706
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,720
you know for all intense purposes

1707
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,720
and it's high on sides so we were down

1708
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,280
in this area and i'll tell you man that

1709
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,280
was just and then we we kept hearing

1710
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,000
rustling sounds there was no wind it was

1711
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,000
dead calm but we kept hearing this

1712
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,480
rustling and that whoop kept going

1713
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,400
further and further away

1714
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,839
and all of a sudden we heard this big

1715
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,839
rustling sound but we figured that was

1716
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,400
maybe the mama coming to go get it you

1717
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:16,079
know and uh and then it just kind of

1718
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,440
faded out

1719
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:19,200
spooky night man it was and that was

1720
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:21,920
like all within the first half hour same

1721
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,839
thing with will that elkhorn it was like

1722
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,440
we get out there and within a half hour

1723
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:27,440
we're getting all this activity

1724
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:30,079
we had a question uh from andrew ball

1725
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,480
and it it yeah he asked about it we and

1726
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,079
the guests the reported

1727
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,319
huge hyena-like creatures and we have

1728
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,640
gotten hyena creatures sightings

1729
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,400
throughout pennsylvania

1730
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,160
um

1731
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,040
up in tuscarora around there we've had

1732
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:46,799
sighting of two of them

1733
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:49,760
had one of them corner a hunter up into

1734
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:52,559
a tree a deer hunter up into a tree

1735
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:55,039
sat there and watched the guy for like a

1736
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:56,640
10-15 minutes

1737
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,240
the hunter got stuck there he wasn't

1738
01:02:01,349 --> 01:02:00,240
coming down for two hours at the front

1739
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:01,359
left

1740
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,319
uh

1741
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:04,960
we got a um

1742
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,359
we had a hyena

1743
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,280
they said the witness said it was the

1744
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:11,920
size of a cow

1745
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,319
up in um near shippensburg pennsylvania

1746
01:02:19,829 --> 01:02:18,160
that's up in cumberland county is that

1747
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:19,839
cumberland county maybe i don't know

1748
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,760
maybe did but anyway uh shippensburg

1749
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,319
uh we had another one in new oxford

1750
01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:28,799
which is just north of me

1751
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:31,520
that's in uh that's in adams county york

1752
01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:33,440
county adams county

1753
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,039
so uh yeah the the hyena

1754
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,799
like creatures

1755
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,799
have been have been seen and you know

1756
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,880
we've had these um

1757
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,119
we've had reports up in western

1758
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,280
pennsylvania too

1759
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:49,680
of the quadrupeds that people said look

1760
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:51,039
a lot like uh

1761
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,720
they call them dog man but they look a

1762
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,880
lot like hyenas you heard anything like

1763
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,079
that ron

1764
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:58,400
oh absolutely yeah without a doubt um

1765
01:03:02,309 --> 01:03:00,720
the idea that whenever you use the word

1766
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,319
dogman i think that's a bit of a

1767
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,000
misnomer but there's nothing else that

1768
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,960
fits into the category you know

1769
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:08,640
that is just a way that you can describe

1770
01:03:13,829 --> 01:03:11,680
it now as as a historian and somebody

1771
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,839
that likes to connect the dots if we

1772
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:15,119
think about the events that was

1773
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:18,480
happening over in uh in france you know

1774
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,200
in the 1700s uh the beast of jealous dog

1775
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,319
was actually uh often um described as

1776
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:27,280
being very much like a hyena as well so

1777
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,400
it seems as if there is a history

1778
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:33,359
of these type of creatures coming into

1779
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:36,000
our reality every now and then um you

1780
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,720
know

1781
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:39,200
whatever might be happening but whatever

1782
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,200
like eric has said about this

1783
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,359
electrified missed or whatever

1784
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:45,520
there definitely seems to be a component

1785
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:48,880
attached to these things that requires

1786
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,839
the manifestation through some sort of

1787
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:54,240
electrical impulse or some sort of

1788
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:56,799
almost as if you need to have a circuit

1789
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:58,640
in order for these things to have an

1790
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:59,839
appearance

1791
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:01,760
you know it's funny ron you say that too

1792
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,200
because in the

1793
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,760
lee has a picture which is just it'll it

1794
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,160
blows you away and it's you see it

1795
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:10,720
briefly in our video but it's it's of an

1796
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,119
all there is about five or six orbs in

1797
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,359
the sky in the middle of the day

1798
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,400
and in these orbs it's you can it looks

1799
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,319
like there's a creature inside this

1800
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,559
translucent orb it looks like it's like

1801
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:24,799
cross like it's like just like this

1802
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,440
and it's so my thought was the night we

1803
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:29,200
saw the ufo and then right after we

1804
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,200
heard the howl could this thing have

1805
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:32,799
deposited

1806
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,520
this creature from a ufo

1807
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,640
you know

1808
01:04:41,109 --> 01:04:38,400
because we hear i mean i'm a big

1809
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,119
believer in the bigfoot ufo connection

1810
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,880
there's a lot of there's a lot of

1811
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:44,880
evidence to to corroborate that there's

1812
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,839
also another theory too about that but

1813
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:50,160
that to me was was one of the plausible

1814
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:51,599
answers was like what could this thing

1815
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,880
have been deposited from from the ufo

1816
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,720
there was a one of one of the

1817
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,640
researchers actually said you know how

1818
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,400
people are getting you know reports of

1819
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:02,480
being abducted by ufos

1820
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,559
why couldn't a ufo abduct bigfoot or a

1821
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:09,359
cryptid and do experiments on that and

1822
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,359
then when you see the bigfoot in ufo

1823
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:12,880
that's because they've just dropped off

1824
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:15,680
the uf you know the bigfoot from you

1825
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,680
know being examined or whatever i mean

1826
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,839
that's well they do it with all kinds of

1827
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:22,319
other animals as it is already why not

1828
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,880
anything that we're not aware of yeah

1829
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,000
exactly

1830
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,400
yeah in my experience that i had with

1831
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:30,640
what i described as a dog man even

1832
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:32,720
though i did not physically see it and

1833
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,240
again i you said about the eyes although

1834
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,720
i did not physically see this creature i

1835
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:40,880
could tell in my mind's eyes that that

1836
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,079
that that on that unnatural amber color

1837
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:45,920
that you were talking about i saw that

1838
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,880
very readily um but whenever

1839
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,280
that light kind of

1840
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:53,599
came on and then and then flickered off

1841
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,039
again i am convinced that that creature

1842
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:00,000
was not in this plane of existence until

1843
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,520
that light came on

1844
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:03,599
somehow it came through and whenever

1845
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,079
that light went off at that point it was

1846
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:07,760
now in a physical form within this

1847
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,960
reality the the red glowing eyes of this

1848
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:12,880
creature is that's what we're getting

1849
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:15,359
reports of now to have those red glowing

1850
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:18,640
eyes you've got to be generating some

1851
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,359
kind of energy there and you know our um

1852
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:23,680
our uh team member ellen collins did a

1853
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,880
lot of work on the uh uh tap it and

1854
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,119
lucidum i think that's what they call it

1855
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,280
as far as the the eye shine

1856
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:33,119
um and for this creature to have that

1857
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,839
red glowing eyes to be just seen and you

1858
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,599
know look we get bigfoot reports with

1859
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:39,359
the right glowing eyes as well we get

1860
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:42,720
those with green eyes too um so

1861
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,240
you know there's a there's some kind of

1862
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:46,880
connection there but is it i always say

1863
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,280
too could it be interdimensional

1864
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,960
you know that's the other thing like ron

1865
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,280
you bring up a great point it's like it

1866
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,760
maybe it's in another part of reality

1867
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,520
and it's coming into our reality and

1868
01:07:02,230 --> 01:07:00,000
that's how it's able to generate such

1869
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,240
energy there absolutely and i think

1870
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,839
that's the case because a lot of people

1871
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,039
can kind of

1872
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:07,319
nonchalantly say you know

1873
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,359
bioluminescence but in order for

1874
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,599
bioluminescence to be proven you have to

1875
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:13,440
have correlations within the natural

1876
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,000
world and we know that primates do not

1877
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:18,000
produce it we know that bioluminescence

1878
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:19,599
are very specific to certain types of

1879
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,440
creatures but the idea that there is an

1880
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,599
energy that is if you're almost looking

1881
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,599
into they say that the windows are the

1882
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,680
eyes of the soul it's almost as if

1883
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,839
you're looking into whatever is powering

1884
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,079
these creatures you know and

1885
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,480
and that is the the case now

1886
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:38,960
you know we don't want to go so far

1887
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:41,119
afield that it becomes sounding like

1888
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,599
it's a science fiction program but

1889
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:45,599
whenever all other explanations don't

1890
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,119
make any sense it really is kind of the

1891
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:51,680
our conclusion that we're coming up with

1892
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:54,240
is that whatever is out there is nothing

1893
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,839
that you can really go out there and

1894
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,760
track there's nothing like that because

1895
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,000
they're not here all the time

1896
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:02,000
now this is another uh theory that i

1897
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,599
have as well too and i want to i want to

1898
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:05,920
kind of bounce this off of you guys

1899
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,480
do you feel that those people who

1900
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,400
witness these creatures

1901
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,720
have some sort of

1902
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,720
uh

1903
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,560
it's it's hard to find the words for it

1904
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,839
but almost

1905
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:20,400
a written type of contract with it like

1906
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,080
it it is so it's dependent upon you to

1907
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:26,719
manifest and it's kind of like that

1908
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,520
you're giving an energy and it's

1909
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:30,880
exactly right

1910
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:33,520
right thought transparency yeah yeah i

1911
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,480
mean

1912
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,480
that has been raised that question has

1913
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:38,400
been raised it's that that thought

1914
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,000
transfers you know it's like what people

1915
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,480
want to see and what what's there

1916
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,480
you know in our case

1917
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:46,799
we didn't physically see it but we we

1918
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:50,319
knew it was there it's it was there

1919
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,239
right it was there you saw it it was

1920
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,560
there you said james you saw it you

1921
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,799
experienced do you physically felt it

1922
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,440
you know so it's there um

1923
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:01,440
yeah you know that's the other thing too

1924
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,719
and a lot of people

1925
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,040
i think are connected i think there's

1926
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,880
people i think there's people connected

1927
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,480
to the spirit world i think there's

1928
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:10,560
people connected to the cryptid world

1929
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:14,000
there's there is a thin veil i believe

1930
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:15,679
to the here and there

1931
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:18,159
and for some odd reason whatever that is

1932
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:20,560
if it's a is some kind of resonance some

1933
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:22,159
kind of frequency

1934
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:23,359
there are certain people that are

1935
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:25,279
connected that see these things more

1936
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:26,640
often

1937
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,640
oh yeah i mean this is this has been

1938
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,159
something that

1939
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,799
has been shown to happen just like

1940
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,719
what's going on in chicago we've had so

1941
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,880
many sightings where there's been lots

1942
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,480
and lots of people

1943
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,400
where this thing shows up

1944
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,640
and one or two people see it nobody else

1945
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:45,120
sees it it's like they're predisposed to

1946
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,880
see something

1947
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,719
i'll tell you something that happened to

1948
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,400
me and i want to see if you guys ever

1949
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,080
experienced this too

1950
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,920
and you know i i

1951
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,600
i you know when i do a ghost

1952
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,440
investigation i'm i've got to be honest

1953
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:59,360
with you i'm very i go into those very

1954
01:10:01,669 --> 01:10:00,640
skeptical

1955
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:01,679
and

1956
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,560
you know

1957
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,760
until

1958
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,440
but i gotta also say the more i've been

1959
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,440
doing that investigation the more i'm

1960
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,080
becoming a believer in that realm but

1961
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,560
with ufos i've had more experience in

1962
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,640
that and personal experiences

1963
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,960
um my girlfriend and i were going over

1964
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,199
this was in february of 2016. we're

1965
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:21,120
going over this bridge that's crosses

1966
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,120
the delaware river where washington

1967
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,280
across the delaware we're up in stockton

1968
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:27,679
new jersey and right outside of new hope

1969
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,080
pennsylvania and we're going from uh new

1970
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,640
uh pennsylvania into new jersey as we're

1971
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,239
going over this bridge

1972
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,560
something caught my eye and and i've

1973
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,320
seen it more and more now we're seeing

1974
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:39,760
these more and more

1975
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,719
five

1976
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:42,719
orange plasma

1977
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,320
balls of you know ufos they just

1978
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:48,400
appeared out of nowhere these five

1979
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,840
orange orbs

1980
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:52,239
out of nowhere now in my mind as i'm

1981
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:54,080
looking at this i'm trying to debunk it

1982
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,800
as i look at it i'm trying to say well

1983
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,480
are these chinese lanterns because

1984
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,239
there's a restaurant over there could

1985
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:01,920
there be a wedding that they just maybe

1986
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,400
just put out this is all within a period

1987
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:06,800
of like two three minutes so this

1988
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,679
thing's no i'm sorry a minute so this

1989
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:11,920
these appear and i'm like i'm trying to

1990
01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:13,440
fumble with my phone to try to take a

1991
01:11:17,669 --> 01:11:14,320
picture

1992
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,679
and she's looking at this and one by one

1993
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:19,199
it looked like they were doing a search

1994
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,679
pattern over the river and then one by

1995
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:22,719
one

1996
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,480
they just disappeared

1997
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,360
one by one i was able to get one picture

1998
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:29,120
uh and i'll send that to you lon i gotta

1999
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,880
send that to you and it's you could see

2000
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,280
this red it's a red orb

2001
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,920
and it was the strangest thing i mean it

2002
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,920
was and we're still trying to figure out

2003
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,280
what it was

2004
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,199
so i went online to see if anybody else

2005
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,280
had this uh experience and there were

2006
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:45,440
people in pennsylvania in the harrisburg

2007
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:49,120
area that saw that same anomaly

2008
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,199
so you know and similar to that and i've

2009
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,120
seen on a lot of these shows

2010
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,360
that people are getting these

2011
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,600
you know we all know what those military

2012
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,199
flares look like

2013
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,920
this was not that and this like anyway

2014
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,440
if that if that was flares they were

2015
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,679
over a populated area that was not and

2016
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,679
they couldn't do that anyway but it was

2017
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,360
uh these were just the weirdest thing

2018
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:12,159
man and it looked like they were like uh

2019
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,280
undulating it looked like like lava like

2020
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,280
when you see lava it was like that and

2021
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,040
then it was just kind of like

2022
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,960
and then it disappeared and i remember

2023
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:23,199
you know john keel talking about the

2024
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:24,640
living lights

2025
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,880
you know and this is a phenomena that is

2026
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:29,120
people are seeing a lot more of this now

2027
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:32,320
you know yeah i i call them bio forms

2028
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,000
yeah basically because um

2029
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:38,880
you know i i've i've even had people

2030
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,080
send me video of these things as their

2031
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,880
uh like piece of plasma or ram plasma

2032
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:46,880
and they kind of undulate and they

2033
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,640
change and as they're flying by uh

2034
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:52,640
some of these pictures are some that

2035
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,159
people have sent me

2036
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:56,159
and um

2037
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:59,040
also with like the um you know these

2038
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,239
flying manta rays where these uh

2039
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:04,480
uh that they they seem to be like a

2040
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,600
bioform type of craft yeah

2041
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,760
you know where they see them undulate

2042
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,239
like they're actual animals but

2043
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,920
well what are you know but what is it

2044
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:15,840
are they what is it that's just it are

2045
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,840
they probes are they like drones from

2046
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,199
i mean and

2047
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,800
look at the name i mean we've all heard

2048
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,960
the navy tic tac ufos and that's like

2049
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,480
everybody nowadays that's all they want

2050
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:28,800
to go is with the navy tic-tac-toe

2051
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,280
it's like there's so much more out there

2052
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,520
you know i mean i mean you go way back

2053
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,080
to betty and barney hill i mean that

2054
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,719
account is just terrifying you know and

2055
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:40,880
uh and i talked to betty and barney's

2056
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:43,760
niece kathleen martin right uh i've even

2057
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,360
talked to calvin parker from the

2058
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,960
pascagoula

2059
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,080
production

2060
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,400
i mean these people are really genuine

2061
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,560
people that still ha to this day have no

2062
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,400
idea what happened even betty and barney

2063
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,400
are not with us anymore but kathleen had

2064
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,000
said that for years they were just you

2065
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,000
know perplexed by the whole thing yeah

2066
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,719
you know kathleen's told me she said

2067
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:05,280
betty you know barney died before betty

2068
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:07,679
did but yeah you know she really had no

2069
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:09,920
explanation as to why

2070
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,080
or what she or they encountered yeah

2071
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:15,600
yeah i mean but you know most

2072
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,920
experiences go through that eventually i

2073
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,960
mean you know

2074
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:21,280
they it's interesting

2075
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,840
in a lot of the abductions now people

2076
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,920
will experience something not knowing

2077
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:26,960
about it

2078
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,679
and then eventually something pops up

2079
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,360
something reminds them of something and

2080
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,840
all of a sudden they recall it

2081
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:35,120
that was betty and barney they were

2082
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,880
having the same dream

2083
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:38,960
simultaneously not knowing that they had

2084
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,840
the same dream exactly and that was just

2085
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:43,840
incredible right there you know just not

2086
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:46,239
even talking about it and back in i mean

2087
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:48,159
look we're talking like the early 60s

2088
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,280
too man that was like a crazy job

2089
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:53,040
well you know basically that that was

2090
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:53,840
when

2091
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:56,000
ufos went mainstream then because you

2092
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:56,960
know

2093
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:01,679
they had their encounter with 62 or 63.

2094
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,040
the first flying uh manta ray

2095
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:06,960
that was sent to me the woman was an

2096
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,159
artist she did the uh she did the uh the

2097
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,080
artwork of it but this thing was flying

2098
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:14,880
in front of their car wow down the road

2099
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,360
and it was you know it was undulating

2100
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:19,760
just like a uh and where was this

2101
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,350
right across the river

2102
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,640
from

2103
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,080
point pleasant

2104
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:30,960
while in ohio

2105
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:34,080
wow yeah

2106
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,120
no

2107
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:37,360
it wouldn't uh

2108
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,719
of catapults or whatever you call that

2109
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:40,400
it was down the road further it was into

2110
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,560
the woods further but it was um

2111
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,520
it was a long stream or a small creek i

2112
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,360
just read one of your comments from your

2113
01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:49,360
your listeners here if it was thought

2114
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,960
transference and everybody would see

2115
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:53,199
santa claus in the easter bunny yeah

2116
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:55,520
well there you go yeah but you know what

2117
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,600
and it's true i mean that's just one

2118
01:16:01,510 --> 01:15:59,920
idea we're talking about different ideas

2119
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,520
here i mean you know we've all been

2120
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,600
watching you know skinwalker ranch and

2121
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,280
things like that and what these guys are

2122
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,520
finding or what they're not finding it's

2123
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,520
that's why this this research that we're

2124
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,760
doing is ongoing because that's what

2125
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,159
we're ultimately trying to find is that

2126
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,320
that truth whatever that is

2127
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,480
and what this could be i mean i'm sure

2128
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,400
you guys have been like scratching your

2129
01:16:23,110 --> 01:16:22,159
heads too like what the hell could that

2130
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,120
have been

2131
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:25,199
i mean james what you experienced ron

2132
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,800
what you experienced i mean it's like

2133
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:27,840
you know

2134
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:29,920
what's what's the answer yeah well

2135
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,400
that's like still to this day i

2136
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,480
if i had never run across the term dog

2137
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,000
man and started doing the research i

2138
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,400
would have had no idea what i was seeing

2139
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:39,679
yeah

2140
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,760
that's what i was asking before dogman

2141
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:45,840
came into the vernacular what did you

2142
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:47,520
call it what was the experience that you

2143
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:49,280
had

2144
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:52,480
whenever i saw i never talked to anybody

2145
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,280
until 2019 about it and that happened in

2146
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,920
2002 and three okay

2147
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,199
and i

2148
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:01,360
kind of just in my own mindset was

2149
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:03,760
telling myself that you saw a werewolf

2150
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,840
you encountered a werewolf because i i

2151
01:17:10,229 --> 01:17:08,159
didn't know what to think about it you

2152
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,239
know because it does

2153
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:12,880
at least what i experienced looks

2154
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:18,630
i got to tell you this real quick here

2155
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,520
the uh we went back to elkhorn in april

2156
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:23,760
for another uh for a follow-up

2157
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,480
and i'll tell you guys i mean it was

2158
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,320
unbelievable

2159
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,480
uh what happened we did a town hall

2160
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,440
meeting on the night of april 28th

2161
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,800
over 140 people showed up wow to tell

2162
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,400
their story

2163
01:17:42,070 --> 01:17:40,400
of seeing this thing i mean these are

2164
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:42,080
people that were credible they were as

2165
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:43,199
frightened

2166
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,120
they didn't know what was going on some

2167
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:47,840
of the reports so i just put out the

2168
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,159
part one video of that follow-up it's

2169
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,159
called the sprayer of the follow-up part

2170
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,239
one i'm working on part two where we're

2171
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,239
doing the investigation and i'm not

2172
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,719
going to tell you what we found but uh

2173
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:00,800
but it was it was incredible and the

2174
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:03,440
people that we encountered there

2175
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:06,000
very genuine people i mean really really

2176
01:18:12,390 --> 01:18:10,239
nice people um and just for them to to

2177
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:12,400
be able to be on camera and telling

2178
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:14,800
their story and we have to think back

2179
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:17,040
too the beast of ray road goes back to

2180
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:19,920
1936 maybe even before that

2181
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:22,239
but there was a long period of time that

2182
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:24,480
no one talked about it and the reason

2183
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,920
why nobody talked about it was because

2184
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,679
there was a whole period of people they

2185
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:29,120
didn't want to get ridiculed they didn't

2186
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,120
want to you know talk about it

2187
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,440
so now fast forward to the 90s where

2188
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,199
linda godfrey brought that back into the

2189
01:18:38,149 --> 01:18:36,960
public conscience because people were

2190
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:38,159
seeing it again

2191
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:39,920
and had been seeing it over that time

2192
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,320
frame but you know like you know and i'm

2193
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,360
sure you guys will agree people are more

2194
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,480
uh comfortable now talking about the the

2195
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:50,640
paranormal than they were maybe even 10

2196
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:51,679
years ago

2197
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,760
you know so we're in a good time period

2198
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,719
now

2199
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,040
i and i got to tell you me being a jazz

2200
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,280
musician right i'll say to my jazz

2201
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,679
audience you know i wrote a new tune and

2202
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,719
i'm going to i'm going to play it

2203
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,400
tonight and it goes like this and

2204
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,320
they'll half-heartedly listen to it but

2205
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:08,560
the minute i mention paranormal you can

2206
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:15,030
you know it's amazing

2207
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,440
but that's a good point so you know as

2208
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:20,480
far as music goes how frequency howard

2209
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:22,880
plays upon the human body and you had

2210
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:24,400
said that earlier i think that that's

2211
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,320
really something that we need to

2212
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:28,640
investigate even more the idea of how

2213
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:31,600
frequency travels how it vibrates the

2214
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,080
body and how it can actually really

2215
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,360
manifest itself uh across a distance you

2216
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:39,120
know these are great things to think

2217
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,880
about uh the other thing i want to point

2218
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,120
out too as far as researchers go and

2219
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,520
what i'm really excited to see happening

2220
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,760
is at one time whenever i first got into

2221
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:49,679
this there used to be the flesh and

2222
01:19:54,390 --> 01:19:51,440
blood researchers and there used to be

2223
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,400
the you know ufo researchers but and if

2224
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:57,120
they got a report that was out of what

2225
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,640
they believed to be

2226
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,560
valid they would just simply toss it

2227
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,080
away it was

2228
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,320
somebody was lying we have to keep it up

2229
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,320
and keep an open mind and i think the

2230
01:20:10,629 --> 01:20:08,400
more that we keep an open mind and start

2231
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,639
seeing these reports that are coming in

2232
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:12,639
all this stuff if you can connect the

2233
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,639
thoughts guys again i i keep on

2234
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,120
stressing this that it all makes sense

2235
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,280
james what you experienced

2236
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:21,040
it's very possible these were the same

2237
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:23,360
things that were manifesting in europe

2238
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:26,239
in the 1400s to give rise to you know

2239
01:20:31,270 --> 01:20:28,400
these might have been had something that

2240
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,280
we have dealt with from the very time we

2241
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:33,280
left africa you know this might have

2242
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,840
always been part of our human condition

2243
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:37,920
and as we move farther and farther away

2244
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:40,960
from the woods we become civilized we we

2245
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:43,840
step out of that natural vibration

2246
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:46,719
now everything seems to be paranormal

2247
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:49,040
because at one time it was normal you

2248
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:50,880
know that we've walked ourselves up

2249
01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:52,800
behind walls we're giving ourselves

2250
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,600
electricity we are out of any kind of

2251
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,000
rhythm of nature so whenever any of this

2252
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,080
kind of stuff happens oh immediately

2253
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:02,159
it's paranormal but it's quite possible

2254
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,239
200 years ago this was just par for the

2255
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:06,400
course my friends yeah oh absolutely

2256
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,600
totally agree

2257
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:09,120
you know and the other thing ron i'll

2258
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:10,960
take that a step further

2259
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:13,120
you know we still need people boots on

2260
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:15,679
the ground in the field like

2261
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,239
you know you are james's lawn you know

2262
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:20,080
we all have to be out in the field

2263
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:22,000
because we're doing the research we're

2264
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,520
in the field doing it we're not sitting

2265
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:26,159
behind the computer we're out there in

2266
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:29,440
sometimes dangerous situations

2267
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:30,960
i definitely want to party with you guys

2268
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:33,040
we're going to have to get together

2269
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,239
pennsylvania we're going to have to do

2270
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:36,080
that what the hell yeah really what the

2271
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:39,920
hell exactly that's right that's right

2272
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:42,400
i'm going to be speaking out uh well

2273
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:44,560
i'll be kind of north of you guys uh on

2274
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,800
march 23rd of of next year um and it's a

2275
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:50,400
paranormal convention that's going to be

2276
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,679
happening out there

2277
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:54,000
and uh man i want to tell you what what

2278
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:55,600
it is um

2279
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,000
if i could find it here but it's uh yeah

2280
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:00,800
it's gonna be a really great event and

2281
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,320
i'll let you guys know i'll put i'll

2282
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,560
post this on your on your uh website and

2283
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,080
if you haven't if you guys haven't

2284
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,320
friended me yet send me a friend request

2285
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,280
so we could all uh connect together here

2286
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,000
oh i will i certainly will but yeah you

2287
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,320
know there is just so much going on we

2288
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,239
were out in well sort of your area we

2289
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,719
were out in newcastle

2290
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:23,040
right yeah we were just out there in

2291
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:26,320
november of 2020 and we investigated

2292
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:29,360
haunted hill view manor oh yes yes and

2293
01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:31,199
we had some really crazy experiences

2294
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:33,040
there with a with an entity known as the

2295
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:34,080
creeper

2296
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,840
and we actually caught that thing on

2297
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:36,960
video

2298
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:40,639
and it was just spooky that's a 85 000

2299
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,679
square feet of pure paranormal

2300
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:44,960
spookiness

2301
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,760
crazy stuff but uh that air i don't know

2302
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,159
why but that area out there is a lot

2303
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,639
more paranormal prone you know for for

2304
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,040
some odd reason even you go way back to

2305
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,760
uh to injured cold

2306
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:59,440
you know uh with though do you know that

2307
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,360
story wally um

2308
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,080
darren berger and yeah woody derenberger

2309
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,000
woody up meeting this alien that was in

2310
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,159
uh that was sort of i guess in west

2311
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:10,560
virginia it was parkersburg just

2312
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,280
actually about 40 miles north of uh

2313
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:16,080
point pleasant yeah there you go

2314
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,000
so you know we've only hit the tip of

2315
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,480
the iceberg on this guys we have let's

2316
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,320
go

2317
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:23,760
so um

2318
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:26,159
so let me uh do the roll call here and

2319
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,520
let you guys

2320
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,040
tell the folks what you've been up to

2321
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,520
how they get in contact with you

2322
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,600
and what's going on in the future i'll

2323
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:34,960
start with you ron

2324
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:37,840
all right well in august uh 13th uh as

2325
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,600
it happens i will be in paris uh not uh

2326
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,760
tennessee around then between late

2327
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:46,080
tonight will be at the dogman werewolf

2328
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:48,480
conference uh again that is going to be

2329
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:52,239
august the 13th in paris um uh tennessee

2330
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,159
which i've never been before so i'm very

2331
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:56,239
excited about that and i've also uh

2332
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:00,960
written a uh a report on a book on uh

2333
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:03,760
the history of dogman uh entitled uh

2334
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:06,320
appropriately enough on dogman tracking

2335
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,719
the werewolf through history uh and if

2336
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,480
you would buy my book the unexplained

2337
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:12,159
world of the chestnut bridge but you

2338
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,199
were so uh very kind to show earlier um

2339
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,280
that shows that goes uh that documents

2340
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,520
my research uh into the dog man on the

2341
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,199
chestnut ridge area up here in western

2342
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:22,800
pennsylvania and everything that you

2343
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,320
need from me is always going to be found

2344
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:26,400
on amazon

2345
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:28,320
how about you james

2346
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:31,520
um you can uh contact me through greene

2347
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,400
county pa cryptids on facebook i have my

2348
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:36,239
own facebook page

2349
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:37,360
um

2350
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:40,800
also i'm in the process of uh

2351
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,080
writing a book called 50 cryptids in 50

2352
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:45,840
states i'm about halfway through it

2353
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:46,880
right now

2354
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:48,719
man some of the stuff that you come

2355
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,600
across you never even would

2356
01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,760
or the human imagination for some of it

2357
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:55,840
you have to have because you'd never

2358
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,040
believe it you know and just doing the

2359
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,199
research for this book has just opened

2360
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:03,199
my eyes to so many things i never

2361
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,719
thought about

2362
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:06,159
um but that's that's what i've been

2363
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,760
getting to and then uh like you

2364
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,120
mentioned before being on the

2365
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:11,760
unexplained with william shatner that

2366
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,800
i just talked to the the assistant to

2367
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,800
the director

2368
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,960
he said yesterday he said that they're

2369
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,280
in the stages of um

2370
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,440
editing it right now and putting it all

2371
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,440
together so it should be probably a

2372
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:27,679
month or two that episode will be out

2373
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:30,800
good i'm excited for it that's awesome

2374
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,199
congratulations that's awesome oh thank

2375
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,280
you and a big thanks to lon cause he got

2376
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,159
me hooked up with the guy to to do it

2377
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:41,280
and i'm just glad that i could you know

2378
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,760
put put our face out there for phantoms

2379
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,679
and monsters that's what that's why i

2380
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,760
did it i was so nervous doing it but i

2381
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:49,280
was like i have to do it for the group

2382
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:50,719
you know

2383
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,480
vincent too man for making this

2384
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:56,480
available for everybody um

2385
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,760
and uh folks could find uh my group on

2386
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,520
we have facebook pages eric intel

2387
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:04,159
investigates uh we're also on youtube

2388
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:06,560
channel eric mintel investigates uh if

2389
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,320
you guys like jazz out there you could

2390
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:10,080
check out my website it's eric mintel

2391
01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:12,159
quartet and we do a lot of original

2392
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:13,760
music we do a lot of music of dave

2393
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:16,320
brubach a lot of really cool stuff and

2394
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:18,080
traveling all over the place with that

2395
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:20,000
so that's uh it's good to be working

2396
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:20,800
again

2397
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,600
musically and venues being open um but

2398
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:25,840
we're thriving with video and i

2399
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:28,800
in our videos we uh we were

2400
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,800
i guess you would say paranormal tourism

2401
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,760
company

2402
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:33,040
and what we're doing showing people

2403
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,159
where to go

2404
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:36,400
uh where to experience these incredible

2405
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:38,639
venues uh we work with a lot of bed and

2406
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,560
breakfasts um inns restaurants um and

2407
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,159
then we'll do some other stuff with the

2408
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,880
cryptids and bigfoot encounters so we've

2409
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:49,199
got a lot of uh we've got a

2410
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:52,080
building from 1759 a

2411
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:53,120
house

2412
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:55,040
in the boyer town area that we're going

2413
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,880
to be investigating next

2414
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,159
and

2415
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,760
a haunted church

2416
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,239
in ewing new jersey that we're going to

2417
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,800
be doing after that and a whole slew of

2418
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,560
other things we might be going back out

2419
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,159
to elkhorn again

2420
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,480
and uh and just a lot of really great

2421
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,400
things and i just got a chance to speak

2422
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:14,800
at the mufon conference back in may

2423
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,560
and had a great time there there was

2424
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:18,800
about 200 people that showed up to hear

2425
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:21,120
my story on the on the elkhorn

2426
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,719
experience so it was really great and i

2427
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:24,639
was i'm really happy that you know we

2428
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,040
have forums like this lawn and and

2429
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:29,040
making this available for people so

2430
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:30,239
thank you

2431
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:31,760
yeah i know that's what we're trying to

2432
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,760
do i mean i you know this these

2433
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:35,920
roundtable discussions

2434
01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:38,480
are are popular with the listeners and

2435
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:40,080
uh we're going to make them available

2436
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:41,280
when we can

2437
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,080
so

2438
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:44,880
guys i appreciate you all coming on

2439
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:47,840
and uh keep in touch and uh you have a

2440
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:53,189
see you guys thank you

2441
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,510
now if you have an unexplained encounter

2442
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,520
or sighting feel free to contact me

2443
01:28:04,990 --> 01:28:03,199
through the phantoms of monster blog

2444
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:05,000
site at

2445
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,719
spamsmonsters.com

2446
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,639
uh i wanna again thank my guests for

2447
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,800
joining me this evening and thanks to

2448
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:12,480
each and all you for watching and

2449
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:15,120
chatting if you made a super chat

2450
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:17,440
donation it's truly appreciated because

2451
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,719
your support

2452
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:20,639
is what makes all this possible so

2453
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:23,840
please like subscribe and share

2454
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:25,840
now if you have a citing or accounting

2455
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,159
report that you'd like to be considered

2456
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,400
for the personal report show

2457
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,320
or simply post it on phantoms and

2458
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,560
monsters feel free to forward to my

2459
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:37,199
email again at lawn sprinkler at

2460
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:39,840
phantomsandmonsters.com

2461
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:43,120
now there will be no show next friday

2462
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:46,239
i got something going on so uh but there

2463
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:49,280
will be a personal report show

2464
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,000
this coming wednesday so

2465
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,239
look for that and uh

2466
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:56,719
we'll uh we'll be presenting that so

2467
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,400
until next week

2468
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:00,800
stay healthy and have a safe enjoyable